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Sweetsunray
storyteller Username: Sweetsunray
Post Number: 1204 Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 5:48 pm: |    |
I've read the first lecture of the link you provided... and to me it makes a mistake. It laments on how our modern society looks down on vision or people having it. That in a way is true. But she also seems to think one needs to be religious or belief in some supernatural being or a creator in order not to look down on visionarists. Well, I have naturalist views: there is a "real" and "inanimated", "material" world outside my head that works according to laws. I don't believe in a supernatural being, or a creator. I'm an atheist. And I wants facts and want the world and our universe investigated in a scientific manner. But I do have visions, and I get insights from them, insights that might be useful to others, but that at least are useful to me. I don't need to believe there is another material dimension, like I don't need to believe that when I dream I'm in an actual, physical different space. I don't need to believe that my mind suddenly physically traveled to the stars. I mean, one can read a story, a myth, a novel and gain insight through reflection because of it, without believing that the fiction you read was non-fiction. It's the same for dreams, or mental visions when conscious. The difference from the rational and abstract thought process, is that with the visions you connect to ideas and insights on an emotional level... a level that has difficulty with explaining ideas and insights with words alone. I think that it's the insistence that as a scientist you cannot possibly think well of visions and use them, or that you can only think well of them and perform it if you belief in whatever religious folly you believe ine. Science is often pinpointed as the evil thing that created the dualism, but imo the dualism is as much (perhaps even more) created by the religious. IME nobody think me mad for meditating, or for having the experiences I have during a meditation, neither naturalists nor religious people. But it's the religious people who're aghast about it when they learn I'm an atheist. Whereas naturalists, atheists and scientists show curiosity and accept my self-gained insights, or even express a wish to do it too. They'd only consider me mad if I were to proclaim that I've actually stood face to face with god (well light), I've actually been carried by angels (well beings of light), I've actually found the grail, I've actually transformed myself in a wolf, etc. (I did all those things, or had all those things happen to me, but they didn't ACTUALLY happen) Because if I were to say they did, then I would show that I lack any insight to separate what goes on in my head from what is outside, as alas some (or most) new age lunies do. Everyone has a motive for giving arguments. But only the arguments given matter. |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 122 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 11:54 am: |    |
quote:But she also seems to think one needs to be religious or belief in some supernatural being or a creator in order not to look down on visionarists.
This invariably is how people with vast historical knowledge think. I dont know why ? but this conflict is bound to occur when a historian meets a scientist/atheist. She is a psychoanalyst with vast historical knowledge. I agree with your views on religious people, they live in a model world. The model is a mixture of reality and myths but the base of the model is built around myths. They get excited when some of thier myths are proven to be a fact. In short they are weak minded because they believe in things that have'nt been proven. Science giving rise to dualism is again wrong on the other hand religion does'nt give rise to dualism. Its people who have misunderstood religion who say that science is evil as they have limited idea about science itself. This is the danger of believing in something that is not real. Her argument is our consiouness keeps evolving and with this we lose the truth behind the myth which according to her was created to avoid the extiction of our species. We are facing the same problem right now and it seems that technology can be our saviour. I'm reading her other seminars as well to get a better idea. My Chess Blog " I failed to make the chess team because of my height " - Woody Allen |
   
Sweetsunray
storyteller Username: Sweetsunray
Post Number: 1205 Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 26, 2007 - 8:48 pm: |    |
Hitman: "... behind the myth which according to her was created to avoid the extiction of our species" created by whom? Everyone has a motive for giving arguments. But only the arguments given matter. |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 123 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 2:55 am: |    |
---consiouness keeps evolving---- The consious(it has always been there) does not evolve but its the evolution of the brain, as we discovered and invented new things the contents in our consious increased. Our advancement has been just technological compared to the anicent civilizations she says, this advancement has caused the disassosiation of the mind and heart, the soul used to connect both our mind and heart. ---created by whom? --- good question I'm reading her other seminars, everything seems to be connected consious, soul, myth of god, meditation etc. My Chess Blog " I failed to make the chess team because of my height " - Woody Allen |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 124 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 5:20 am: |    |
---has caused the disassosiation of the mind and heart--- of mind and soul and not heart. Soul connects mind and body and not heart.
I dunno where I got that heart from
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Sweetsunray
storyteller Username: Sweetsunray
Post Number: 1206 Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 11:26 pm: |    |
There's no proof of the existence of the soul. I'd phrase it as a higher self. Neither science or techonology created a dualism between the two. Religions (especially Christianity) did by defining good and evil as black and white, by imposing sainthood and goodness as something where you deny the body and ego and see it as basically evil. It is the religious imposed denying of two parts of yourself that creates an imbalance. Denial does not make human needs go away, but can only strengthen them to come back with a vengeance, and in that sense create a black and white imbalance of sainthood against indulgence. It is the denial that makes the split. It is in cooperation of your higher self psyche along with accepting your human needs (and recognizing you have the right to ensure them) that creates balance within. Science and technology are neutral. Science investigates and tries to establish "what is". Nor does it teach you to ignore your higher self. Scientific knowledge and technology are neutral tools. If there was not a split already of reverting from sainthood back to indulgence and vice versa over and over, thenthere would only be wisdom left in the middle of it. Everyone has a motive for giving arguments. But only the arguments given matter. |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 126 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 4:21 am: |    |
Yes. I agree Religion was the one that thought humans to deny and thereby creating a split. The time Religion came into affect there was no split but as man started discovering and inventing new things had to decide if it was good or bad thus creating a split. This is what happened in western civilizations the reason they are much advanced than the east at present whereas in the east man just led a laid back lifestyle and didnt care about discoveries and inventions. Even today easterners are considered lazy when compared to westerners.(they had restricted their power of reasoning, which again was not natural) This helped westerners to conquer east as well. Religion became even more dangerous when different civilizations split good and bad in their own way. When these groups with different beliefs of good and bad came across each other resulted in battles and war. ----There's no proof of the existence of the soul. I'd phrase it as a higher self. ---- Fair enough. ---If there was not a split already of reverting from sainthood back to indulgence and vice versa over and over, then there would only be wisdom left in the middle of it.---- Excellent point! I'm not sure about technology. Our dependence on it is going to take its toll for sure. Technology in the hands of people with wrong beliefs could be dangerous like in the past. Once again its not only religious people who can have wrong beliefs. My Chess Blog " I failed to make the chess team because of my height " - Woody Allen |
   
Scott
flint knapper Username: Scott
Post Number: 1776 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 5:11 am: |    |
SSR/Hitman, you might find the following article in Time informative: Mystery of Consciousness ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Ces gens, Jondalar, ils sourient. Ils me sourient. - Ayla |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 127 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 7:15 am: |    |
errata : I agree Religion was the one that "taught" humans to deny and thereby creating a split. The dream world was used to exercise the brain. If they had'nt exercised their brains, would have led to autism and they didnt exercise their brain in the real world because they believed it would lead to nature's destruction. All those accounts on experiences like bending of spoons etc.. were performed in the dream world. ssr, How do you actually get back to the real world from the dream world ? There is a term "free your mind" does it mean we need to free our mind from the dream world ? Scott, great link, I'll look into that and reply. My Chess Blog " I failed to make the chess team because of my height " - Woody Allen |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 128 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 7:15 pm: |    |
This is a brilliant site! http://www.3quarksdaily.com/ 3quarks ? why not 3leptons ? It features the same article.. http://3quarksdaily.blogs.com/3quarksdaily/2007/01 /scientists_brid.html#comments http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16842848/ My Chess Blog " I failed to make the chess team because of my height " - Woody Allen |
   
Sweetsunray
storyteller Username: Sweetsunray
Post Number: 1207 Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 9:48 pm: |    |
Hitman:"The dream world was used to exercise the brain. If they had'nt exercised their brains, would have led to autism and they didnt exercise their brain in the real world because they believed it would lead to nature's destruction." I'd need some sources, arguments and proof for these statements. And what do you mean with the dream world... Dreaming? Vision questing? Jerrers:"All those accounts on experiences like bending of spoons etc.. were performed in the dream world." Again I have no idea what you mean here... But I do know that spoon bending of the 19th and 20th century was just trickery. Jerrers: "ssr, How do you actually get back to the real world from the dream world ? " I take it you mean how do I return to normal everyday consciousness at the end of a bundle meditation... I just do. Whatever level I've been during a vision, at some point I just know that it's finished. If I'm somewhere very high, then I feel myself going to lower "energy levels". If I'm somewhere very low, I might actually feel myself rise again. I use the chakra system as symbolic system to identify what level, what topic of consciousness I'm working on. I don't believe I actually have such energy centers in different parts of my body, but it's a helpful system to associate and identify the topic of consciousness. I could jsut as well use a neurological map if I had one. Anyway, each chakra level has different visualisations and sensations. Grounding chakra: earth, mud, trees, plants, sex, lava, feeling heavy (sometimes feeling as heavy as stone or a hardening), physically I associate it with my feet and genitals... This is the starting point. I don't start on a journey before being well grounded. Without grounding the risk of just daydreaming or illusion is too great. And you need a good rooting in order to reach "height". Emotional: seat of creativity, and fantasy. Symbolised by water. Physically associate it with my abdomen. If I'm in some kind of fantasy world, or in water I know I'm on the emotional level. Solar: seat of the ego. Associate it with a bit above my bellybutton, also in the handpalms and soles of the feet. If it's sunny, hot etc... that's ego. Heart: color pink, feathers (and of course white doves) flower petals, smell of fresh baked cakes, soft, furry, might see a strong light but not the actual source of it, feeling soft on the inside, floaty and loving (as if embraced)... from this point on the voice will sound feebler. Throat: weird... visions can't retain a 3D world. I'll see waves, vibrations and netting... feel eskewed, as if I'm a particle of the wave. This is the level of communication -> sound -> and hence the seeing of waves, and of self-healing. Can't say it takes place in a certain place, except a black background. Third Eye: patience, clarity, honest and impartial observance... by this time you're looking onto life from a higher level. Vision also gets very defined, that is the edges of images sharpen. Crown: stars, light, universe, and from here on it's really difficult to speak. Takes effort, and what comes out is feeble. To me it sounds like I'm speaking clear and loud, but others need to strain their ears only to hear, "mmm... mmbmumble..." But to speak louder would seem to hurt my ears. In effect, a louder voice would startle me out of it I think and lower me. A vision often has a theme. Once you've got the lesson, you'll know you're near the end. And I'll feel my body sensation change drammatically as I'm flung back down. I mentioned up... You can go lower than your own grounding point in vision... go down into earth, to its chore... then you'll just feel heavier and harder and heavier and hotter. If I'm near the end I suddenly feel lighter. It's not something I choose to do on purpose most of the time... it just happens, and I don't see a purpose to resist it. There have been two occasions where I had difficulty coming back. One time because I didn't want to (many years ago) and felt that what I had to come back to would be painful. I was helped by others then. They reminded me that I had to come down again. Another time I was in the zero-point... point without time, without wishes, without will, no movement... I had to choose to return here because I knew I had to, rather than out of feeling I had reached the end of the vision. But most of the time it feels like I'm ejected. Time's up. Most of the time I have some time to traverse back slowly. And very rarely it can truly be like I'm flung from the highest state back onto earth. The moment I can open my eyes and keep them open and focus on the ceiling, I can say "Back!" Timing may vary though... from 15 mins up till over an hour. Everyone has a motive for giving arguments. But only the arguments given matter. |
   
Sweetsunray
storyteller Username: Sweetsunray
Post Number: 1209 Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 10:10 pm: |    |
Hitman, if you want to know more about the bundlings and ask questions there I'm inviting you to my blog http://www.selectablog.com/bundling/ BTW I'm not responsible for the content of the banners. Everyone has a motive for giving arguments. But only the arguments given matter. |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 129 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 5:08 am: |    |
SSR : I'd need some sources, arguments and proof for these statements. And what do you mean with the dream world... Dreaming? Vision questing? My knowledge on meditation is not up to the mark but I read an article in a newspaper long back that meditation actually increases brain power. Here is an article I found on the net..
quote:“You are exercising it while you meditate, and it gets bigger,” she says. The finding is in line with studies showing that accomplished musicians, athletes and linguists all have thickening in relevant areas of the cortex. It is further evidence, says Lazar, that yogis “aren’t just sitting there doing nothing".
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8317 Thanks for the invitation SSR, interesting blog, I'll ask questions once I finish reading. My Chess Blog " I failed to make the chess team because of my height " - Woody Allen |
   
Sweetsunray
storyteller Username: Sweetsunray
Post Number: 1210 Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 9:41 am: |    |
Thanks for the article, Hitman. Seems to be in line how sharp my mind feels after a meditation. Hitman:"The dream world was used to exercise the brain. If they had'nt exercised their brains, would have led to autism and they didnt exercise their brain in the real world because they believed it would lead to nature's destruction." So, you use the term dream world to refer to meditation, and you have given a link to research that showed performance improvement after meditation. It still doesn't clarify this sentence to me. Who's "they"? And what does autism have to do with it? And why would "they" think that exercising the brain in the real world would lead to distruction? Everyone has a motive for giving arguments. But only the arguments given matter. |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 130 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 10:45 am: |    |
SSR, "They" means yogis who practise meditation, The yogis renounce their material life and look for inner knowledge. I'm just generalising because I'm not sure if they were just the yogis or an entire community who just led a peaceful life but then that made me wonder if they led a peaceful life by just meditating, eating less food then the following generations should have been autistic because they hardly used their brains. You can find all the answers in the Vedas.. I dunno much about Vedas, A research is going on in Germany on the Vedas and they are surprised about the Vedic wisdom which can be used even in the modern era. Westerners have always written history in a very biased manner. I have a feeling that the Aryans were actually present Germans, Hitler even copied the Swastika. Sanskrit's grammar is very similar to that of German, people here always say that its easy to learn German if you know Sanskrit. The Vedic wisdom was there before the Aryans arrived the biggest problem was that they were not written down and were being passed to younger generations in the form of chanting. The whole Aryan invasion is a controversial topic. Then the westerners arrived and tried to bring Hindu mythology closer to Norse mythology. I'm not keenly interested in this topic but somehow ended up here If you're interested to know more about Vedas.. http://www.vedanet.com/ I just made up the word "dream world" as you said its just a dream and I was trying to think in terms of a virtual world(metaverse) I'm now reading about the different types of meditation... My Chess Blog " I failed to make the chess team because of my height " - Woody Allen |
   
Sweetsunray
storyteller Username: Sweetsunray
Post Number: 1211 Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 4:18 pm: |    |
The type of meditation I do would be scorned by Yogis, and I was already berated by a Brahman once. We perform one great meditation taboo: we connect physically with each other. Thanks for the Veda links, but I have read them years ago. I've read the Mahabarata too (translated of course). As for the abstinance and renunciation of material life in exchange for inner wisdom... I find it folly, and I explain why on my blog. Yogis work with chakras too. And if any of the chakras is closed or blocked then it diminishes the chances of reaching the lesson of another chakra, or even bringing it back with you... To acquire strong insight all chakras must be open, developed and aligned (required to experience a kundalini). By denying yourself physical space, etc you block the assoicated chakra, and there goes wisdom out the door. Still don't get your autism reference, though. What do you think autism is? Everyone has a motive for giving arguments. But only the arguments given matter. |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 132 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 5:30 pm: |    |
I could'nt find a word to explain what would happen if someone never used thier brains, So I chose autism. LOL! I always thought that meditation was just for relaxation which helped us tackle situations with a fresh mind but as the newscientist link shows it actually increases the brain "size" itself! If meditation really increases our brain size then it fits perfectly in our technological world. Meditation is not for guys like me. LOL! but hope I'll learn something by reading your blog. My Chess Blog " I failed to make the chess team because of my height " - Woody Allen |
   
Sweetsunray
storyteller Username: Sweetsunray
Post Number: 1213 Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 6:27 pm: |    |
Yeah, well, there's lots of people who think being spiritual means to remain in the higher spheres constantly, and that anything physical of life (body, desires and ego) is something bad, and so they eat very little the rest of their lives, or smoke pot all day. Yup, they're high most of the time, but they accomplish zilch. (oops, was an answer to a post that has just disappeared) Everyone has a motive for giving arguments. But only the arguments given matter. |
   
Sweetsunray
storyteller Username: Sweetsunray
Post Number: 1214 Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 6:34 pm: |    |
Well if you meditate only for relaxation, then you'll mostly relax. Once you go on journeys during that relaxation (conscious and purposeful wide-awake deraming really) then you are indeed activating your brain in a way your dreams cannot even accomplish. During the journeys you block (stop oxygen flow) in certain normally used areas, and stimulate (extra oxygen flow) to other areas. And when you come across problem areas (bad associations... and thus wrongly associated neurons, or not at all) you are more easily capable to associate things in a new way (and thus make new links, new associations). So, you're rewiring your brain from its misconceptions. And perhaps it may be easier to do the rewiring, because you're brains are in the relaxed state similar to sleep. Everyone has a motive for giving arguments. But only the arguments given matter. |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 134 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 7:06 pm: |    |
---(oops, was an answer to a post that has just disappeared)--- Thanks for the answer anyways. I'm very interested to know more about this, I'll read more about meditation. Can you visualise objects during meditation ? build your own world by visualising a collection of objects ? Speaking of Dualism and non dualism there are two philosophies I believe the dvaita and advaita. My Chess Blog " I failed to make the chess team because of my height " - Woody Allen |
   
Sweetsunray
storyteller Username: Sweetsunray
Post Number: 1215 Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 10:06 pm: |    |
Hitman - Can you visualise objects during meditation ? build your own world by visualising a collection of objects ? I can vizualize a whole world of objects, personalities and environment  Everyone has a motive for giving arguments. But only the arguments given matter. |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 135 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 5:37 am: |    |
LOL! This is like a scene from the matrix! http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/visualiza tion-meditation-exercise-go-to-your-room/ I guess you need to visualise something in order to focus your mind to clear out the unwanted thoughts. Now if you can control the visualised objects, personalities, environments that would be cool. A movie director actually visualises the scene in his mind he wants to direct before he gives the instructions/directions to the actors. Technology has made this process easier with previsualisation or anematics. So whenever we are concentrating on something we are actually visualising which itself is a form of meditation. In this state you have no idea what's going on around you. To meditate you dont need to close your eyes you just need to focus on something... but the problem is when someone comes and waves their hand in the focus line, your concentration gets disturbed. Now I know, why some scientists just stare at things LOL! they are actually in deep concentration. SSR, You'd make a great movie director  My Chess Blog " I failed to make the chess team because of my height " - Woody Allen |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 136 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 6:55 am: |    |
A few questions that came across my mind... What is day dreaming ? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/tec hnology/technology.html?in_page_id=1965&in_article _id=429843 http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/01/19/brain.daydrea ms.reut/index.html?eref=rss_topstories The brain is never idle! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?xm l=/connected/2006/05/02/ecdreams02.xml&sSheet=/con nected/2006/05/02/ixconnrite.html My Chess Blog " I failed to make the chess team because of my height " - Woody Allen |
   
Sweetsunray
storyteller Username: Sweetsunray
Post Number: 1216 Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 12:50 pm: |    |
Hitman, I may be able to visualize whole worlds, but I do not normally choose them or control the images at all. That would be contraproductive. It's not my purpose to be in control over my fantasies. It's my purpose to allow insights to bubble up (or down), and to face whatever blocks I have. I may have RL conscious ideas about all of this, but this type of conscious is ego conscious, and subject to rationalisation and deception. By going into a state that allows access to the subconscious, like in dreams, I may not decide whether something may present itself or not. The only control I have, if I have any, is on the choices I'm actually given in there, and in my decision to face something. Of course if I don't face it, and avoid it, then I'm only defeating myself really. There are two instances I may vizualize a purposeful pre-chosen image... that is when I ground at the start. I think of soil then. And then if I find I have difficulty returning (which hardly ever happens) I focus on the idea of my body. But that's with the bundle meditations. When I meditate indivually, I do use similar techniques as you linked to. It's not a room though. But a certain garden, or another special place. Even if you created it in your mind, at some point the place may surprise you. You discover stuff that you didn't consciously will there. Learnign starts when you let go of control. Everyone has a motive for giving arguments. But only the arguments given matter. |
   
Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 171 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2007 - 5:59 pm: |    |
Ok, I'm doing a bit of research on this.. Here is an excerpt from the book, "Reincarnation A study in human evolution" by Th. Pascal
quote:Let us also define Consciousness. Taken absolutely, it is Being, the Soul, God; the uncaused Cause of all the states which, in beings, we call states of consciousness. This limited consciousness may be defined as the faculty a "centre of life" possesses of receiving vibrations from its surroundings. When, in the course of evolution, a being is sufficiently developed to become conscious of a separation between its [17]"I" and the object which sends it vibrations, consciousness becomes self-consciousness. This self-consciousness constitutes the human stage; it appears in the higher animals, but as it descends the scale of being, gradually disappears in non-individualised consciousness. In a word, absolute Consciousness is one, though, as in the above example, it is manifested differently, according to the differences in the vehicles which express it in the concrete world in which we live. The Soul, per se, is beyond the reach of beings who have not finished the pilgrimage of evolution. To know it, one must have attained to the eternal Centre, the unmanifested Logos. Up to that point, one can only, in proportion as one ascends, feel it in oneself, or acknowledge it by means of the logic which perceives it through all its manifestations as the universal Mover of forms, the Cause of all things, the Unity that produces diversity by means of the various vehicles which serve it as methods of expression. Science says that intelligence, or, to be more generic, consciousness, results from the action of matter. This is a mistake. Consciousness does not change in proportion as the cells of the body are renewed; rather it increases with physical unconsciousness, as in somnambulism.[18] Thought is not the fruit of the brain; it offers itself to the latter, ready made, so to speak; the loftiest intellectual or artistic inspirations are flashes which strike down into the awaiting brain, when maintaining that passive expectant attitude which is the condition in which a higher message may be received. The senses are not the thinking-principle. They need to be controlled by consciousness; thus, people blind from birth, when suddenly made to see, cannot judge either distance or perspective; like animals and primitive men, they see nothing but colours on a surface. Science says also: the organ is created for the function it has to perform; again a mistake. The eyes of the fœtus are constructed in the darkness of the womb. The human germ, notwithstanding its unconsciousness and its simplicity of structure, develops a body that is complex and capable of a considerable degree of consciousness; though itself unintelligent, it produces prodigies of intelligence in this body; here, consequently, the effect would be greatly superior to the cause, which is absurd. Outside of the body and the germ is a supreme Intelligence which creates the models of forms and carries out their construction. This Intelligence is the Soul of the world. If Consciousness per se, or the Soul, is above all[19] direct proof at the present stage of human evolution, the vehicles through which it functions are more or less apparent to us provided they are capable of affecting the brain. At the present stage of human evolution, this is the case only with the astral body; the other bodies are too fine to manifest through the nervous system such characteristics as are calculated to furnish scientists with a proof of their existence; they can only be felt and proved in and by Yoga.[3] It is not without importance, however, to set forth [20]the proofs of the existence of a vehicle of consciousness immediately above the physical, for it affords us a wider horizon and throws far more light on the rest of the subject.
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Hitman84
gatherer Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 173 Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2007 - 5:51 am: |    |
Here is an interesting case : The art of seeing without sight! http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/mg18524841.700 His paintings : http://www.armagan.com/paintings.asp |
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