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D. R. Coffman (Unregistered Guest)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, April 03, 2007 - 3:53 am: |     |
{( Does anyone else wonder what happened to the Clan? It's only mentioned lately & vaguely through Ayla's visions. Durc should marry the girl from the Clan gathering, meet Willomar on a trade mission, beat Broud out of Clan leandership, see Ayla succeed Zolena as First, & all earth's children live happily ever after...am I, perhaps, asking to much?!? LOL ! \blue{ |
Annie
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Username: Annie
Post Number: 2025
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 3:22 pm: | |
Welcome to the board.  There is plenty of speculation and fanfic around, but we know this much directly from the author:
BookPage Interview April 2002: Jean Auel: Fans may not like the one surprise in the final book that Auel is willing to share: Ayla will not be reunited with Durc, her son from a Neanderthal rape.
"Ayla is going to find out something about him, but I can tell you straight out, frankly no, she will never see her son again," she says. "That's her tragedy. I know people want her to, and it's the sadness that she always has in her life, but people have those kinds of tragedies."
Auel reconfirmed the same information in an interview from August 2006 as well.
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Sidescraper_gal
hunter
Username: Sidescraper_gal
Post Number: 479
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2007 - 5:28 am: | |
D.R. Coffman and all:
Yeah, she kind of made that clear in Clan of the Cave Bear But OTOH, maybe Durc will become Clan leader or something, and the Neandertals will gradually reunite with the rest of humanity. . . .
Anne G |
Scott
flint knapper
Username: Scott
Post Number: 1913
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 6:23 am: | |
That confirms it, you are a out of the closet as a multi-regionalist Anne!!! 
I expect Book 6 to devote a lot of time to the Neanderthal/Cro-Magnon question and of course Durc will be in there somewhere. If not, then why did Auel turn COTCB into a 6 book series? I was disappointed that she didn't do anything much in Book 5, she has a lot of catching up to do. Perhaps this is why she has apparently said that a Book 7 might be in the works as well.
Scott
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Ces gens, Jondalar, ils sourient. Ils me sourient. - Ayla |
Bluemass_cat
bear cub
Username: Bluemass_cat
Post Number: 7
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 1:02 pm: | |
I suspect the Clan probably had a major schism. Broud, ironically, forced change upon the Clan much faster than they could handle by readjusting the members' status to satisfy his own ego. Obviously his autocracy is going to be his/Clan's downfall, starting a tradition of dictatorship destiny. (Your outgo exceeds your income, so your uprise will be your downfall.)
Broud can curse Ayla with death, he can reduce Creb to the lowest common denominator. He could even turn Durc loose if he found the slightest pretext. But no matter what he does, Ayla's legacy will be burned into Clan collective memories, and if they forget that, then they only have to look at the real Durc and remember his name in the old legend of dynamism versus stasis.
Auel dropped hints over the course of the books on how the Clan took in one of the Others with the broken arm. More hints are dropped, though I forget now because I am rereading the series. I suspect he will either turn up physically or within a backstory and provide the clincher of Clan/Others debate and the history of humanity's future, since so far in the EC world, he and Ayla are the only ones noted who had any length of contact with Neandertals.
YOS,
Noah Briggs
The BlueMass Cat |
Scott
storyteller
Username: Scott
Post Number: 2172
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 15, 2007 - 8:12 pm: | |
If the Clan, at least Brun's, had a major schism, it would have had to get rid of Broud or die out. The Clan was barely making a replacement existence. "Big Men" didn't arise in the mousterian precisely because of the bare subsistence level of existence - there was little surplus.
I suspect we will find out that others have had Clan contact - and I hope Auel explores this at length.
Scott
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Ces gens, Jondalar, ils sourient. Ils me sourient. - Ayla |
Bluemass_cat
bear cub
Username: Bluemass_cat
Post Number: 10
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 2:42 pm: | |
"If the Clan, at least Brun's, had a major schism, it would have had to get rid of Broud or die out."
And that's my point, and part of the theme to the first book - the Clan is resistant to change even when it's clear to everyone present that change is needed, and stat.
We don't get to see the long-range consequences of Broud's leadership, as of this writing. We can make some good guesses, especially since most, if not all, of us have encountered a beligerent coward like Broud at least once in our lifetime. The clan's first gut instinct was to look to Brun after the earthquake at the end of CotCB. He had to excercise self-control not to take command, even though it had been pavloved into him for most of his adult life.
Could the Clan get rid of Broud? Probably, but it would require new thinking and dipping into collective memories to figure out how to do it. Broud was appointed leader, (leadership is not genetic, in other words) so they'd have to come up with a new contingency plan for establishing a "chain-of-command" (most likely Vorn, since he's the second, but that causes potential problems because he was part of Broud's itty-bitty political anti-Ayla faction).
I think the best way to sum this up would be the Clan's definition of behavioral adaptation is a little different than, say, the Others.
YOS,
Noah Briggs
The BlueMass Cat |
Darandon
bear cub
Username: Darandon
Post Number: 5
Registered: 8-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 8:59 am: | |
There are no set of circumstances that would cause Ayla's clan to travel far enough to have any chance of meeting up with Ayla. Even if she decided for some reason to travel half the distance back towards her clan, they would have no reason to travel that far.
Auel has set the stage for Durc to either take leadership away from Broud, or take a portion of willing clan members with him to a new place as in the legend of Durc. But Durc would have no reason to establish a new cave so far away.
Ayla and Jondalar have no reason to travel any great distances anymore. Been there, done that.
I do expect them to make a journey to the Atlantic coast though. Just so Auel can describe the place through Ayla's eyes.
And that of course, is in the opposite direction of Durc.
I think Auel's greatest story was left behind when Ayla headed north.
I can just imagine what Broud is having to put up with as Durc grows up in the clan. Under the guidance of Brun, and the rest of the clan that were fond of Ayla.
Durc would be a living reminder of Ayla. And even though he's leader, there would not be alot he could do about it because Durc is male.
And the next clan gathering is where Durc begins his rise to prominence. I see him making quite an impression as he participates in the competitions, and the Cave bear ceremony.
I also see his arranged joining with Yura drawing even more attention to him at the gathering.
If Durc is able to be the deciding factor in Brun's old clan maintaining their position as first cave, he will return with enough clout to begin his usurping of broud's power, to eventually enact a coup de tat.
This would be Ayla's crowning victory over Broud, and would be the outcome we all want to see.
The question for me is; does this happen in book 6, as a separate story that doesn't connect directly with Ayla's continuing story? Or is this the Book 7 I have heard rumors of?
Darandon |
Sjouken
bear cub
Username: Sjouken
Post Number: 1
Registered: 6-2008
| | Posted on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 9:01 pm: | |
I think that you must remember ayla's dream about the sons (one of the clan, the other one of the others) who are going to attack each other. I asume that is the dream of the destruction (the end of the Neanderthals) of the clan as it is (better was).
I asume a clash will ocure in the next book because of the hate of the quarter clan 3-quarter other in the ninth cave towards the clan.
This is my asumption of the content of the next book by Jean M.Auel |
Darandon
bear cub
Username: Darandon
Post Number: 10
Registered: 8-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, August 16, 2008 - 4:47 am: | |
Yes, the dream you speak of was from Mammoth hunters. She woke up crying, and mamut told her not to worry, don't take it literally(As if he was watching what she was dreaming).
And alot of people also think Brukeval will play some important part in the next book. As you say.
I just really want to know how Durcs life turns out. Even though I am pretty sure he will not be reunited with Ayla. Because she is dead to him, and he has clan beliefs. If he was to see her he would be traumatized, and think she is an evil spirit. |
Suggiebaby
bear cub
Username: Suggiebaby
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 4:46 pm: | |
I think that Ayla will not physically meet her son, Durc again. However, her dreams about seeing her two sons meet each other might have something to it. Mamut said that her dreams are opposite or not what they seem to be. In book 6, I think Ayla will begin the process of looking into the spirit world as she trains to be Zeladonni (sp) but instead of looking back...she will see the future of her people and the Clan. It is interesting to me that she sees a dream where her two SONS meet....but in Shelters of Stone she has a baby girl (Jonayla). Maybe the dream about the sons meeting isn't her sons but her people vs. clan and Ayla is going to be the one person who can help these two races come together....or fall apart.
This is where I see Brukeval playing a role. No matter how the story unfolds...I just hope that Ayla gets to have the life with Jondalar and Jonayla and maybe more lil ones that she has always wanted while still being First Among Those Who Serve the Mother. |
Sidescraper_gal
flint knapper
Username: Sidescraper_gal
Post Number: 676
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 2:40 am: | |
Suggiebaby:
I wonder if Book 6 will have a bunch of N's and a bunch of Ayla's people banding together to meet some overarching threat, and each group learns from the other?
Anne G
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Scott
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Username: Scott
Post Number: 2492
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 4:30 am: | |
Sjouken, I think you are right. We are going to hear a lot about the Clan in the next work. Of course the dream was allegorical in nature, but there will be some conflict and as Suggiebaby suggests (welcome btw Sjouken and Suggiebaby), there will be some grande resolution with a coming together.
I hope we find N's showing the Ninth Cave how to make Chatelperronian tools Anne G!!!
Scott
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Ces gens, Jondalar, ils sourient. Ils me sourient. - Ayla |
Suggiebaby
bear cub
Username: Suggiebaby
Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2008
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 3:55 pm: | |
I think that Auel was trying to use SoS as a set up type of book. Maybe her direction was a little lost on the readers but we don't know what she has in store for these characters...it really seems like a build up to something big. I think she is trying to follow the theory that neaderthals and cro-magons created what we are today. |
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