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Hitman84
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Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 70
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 3:50 pm: |     |
Here is my theory...
I feel AI can be achieved in a restricted environment.
Man has the power of reasoning. If a newborn is brought up in a restricted environment its power of reasoning is restricted to the confined environment.
Most inventions were invented by comparing and trying to immitate nature. Man has always tried to immitate nature. There is also the fluke factor.
A computer can be programmed to immitate the brain in a confined environment as the power of reasoning is considerably reduced. The brain cannot think out of the environment. It tries to gather information within the environment. The human brain can evolve only upto a certain level.
I still firmly stick to my opinion that our imagination is restricted to things which we have visualised. The universe is the boundary for imagination. This is the problem facing AI development universe is very complex and not explored completely.
When we imagine something new its actually a composition of things we have already visualised.
When someone proposes a new concept. There is something that caused the birth of the concept in the mind. The birth of a new concept may take place either by trial and error or comparison.
An inventor views the world differently compared to others, he/she is always looking for ideas that can be incorporated to the development of his/her invention in mind which itself might have taken birth by oberving something. He/she sees the nature around him/her in a different way.
How does a martian look like ?
He/she/it certainly does'nt look like an earthling. What makes us look the way we are ?
Once we find the answers we compare it with environment of mars and create a mental image as to how a martian might look in its environment.
Here are a list of some brilliant SF movies I've watched...
AI.
Bicentennial man.
Matrix trilogy.
I, robot.
Virtuosity.
There are many others but I did'nt like them.
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Cavebear
cave painter
Username: Cavebear
Post Number: 3088
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 8:03 am: | |
As it happens, I saw a show discussing robots 2 days ago. In one direction, they were going with robots (and of course machine intelligence) that attempted to not only identify emotions on human faces but to respond appropriately (and learn from them).
In the other direction, they were going with robots with human facial characteristics and appearances (expressive eyes, smiling/frowning mouths, etc).
Aside from that, the first time we discover non-Earth intelligent life, we will know SO much more about ourselves, we are going to slap ourselves on the forehead and say "Oh, why wasn't that so obvious before".
Thank you, Carl Sagan... |
Hitman84
gatherer
Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 71
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 9:27 am: | |
Cavebear,
Yup research is going on at MIT.
http://www.csail.mit.edu/research/activities/activ ities.html
I'm following it very keenly. The scientists say that they are designing robots in a more "thoughtful" way  than before.
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/lbr/
This is a wonderful field of research!
I believe there is a robot who works as a travel agent. The robot looks like a japanese female able to smile and communicate!
Robotists are aslo building a robonut to aid space research which'll be able to comunicate with humans and understand phrases like "go there".
Most companies that carried out AI research have gone bankrupt and AI research is done mostly in universities where the research will not be professional enough and is bound to progress very slowly 
some great videos on robotic space research.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dubows ky
quote:Aside from that, the first time we discover non-Earth intelligent life, we will know SO much more about ourselves, we are going to slap ourselves on the forehead and say "Oh, why wasn't that so obvious before".
So very true. We have no idea what intelligence means.
http://www.neilslade.com/Papers/how.html
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Scott
flint knapper
Username: Scott
Post Number: 1643
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 10:08 pm: | |
I disagree. We can imagine stuff that we have not seen. We are not taking components of stuff we have seen to make up new amalgams. Sure, what we have seen helps us to visualise other possibilities. But I don't see how that affects the development of AI.
Have computers passed the Turing Test?
cavebear are you stating the intelligent life exists on earth? If so, where? 
Scott
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Hitman84
gatherer
Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 72
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 6:25 am: | |
Scott,
Turing Test itself is a debatable issue. The turing test is done to decide if a computer is intelligent or not but its a one sided test. A computer maybe considered intelligent even if it does'nt immitate a human.
According to Alan Turing if a computer is able to pretend to be a human to a normal observer then the machine should be considered intelligent. Most of the time the machine is just fooling the observer.
Daniel Denette's "Brainchildren" is a very good book which has a discussion on the turing test.
Here is a link to the controversial Chinese Room argument by John Searle...
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/chinese-room/
The problem is with the memory. The universe is very large and ideas and its variations are unlimited. As I said there are two ways AI can be programmed. You either code all the possible ideas into a machine or give the machine a thought process of its own to create its own ideas. As of now, the latter seems far out of reach.
I replaced the word "seen" with "visulalised". I'll get back to this topic later, I'm reading vision science.
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Cavebear
cave painter
Username: Cavebear
Post Number: 3100
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 11:23 pm: | |
(Scott) "cavebear are you stating the intelligent life exists on earth? If so, where?"
In the deep time of 1950, a human was born. It opened its eyes and saw clearly. It listened to sounds and understood them. It smelled odors and separated them into food and "other things". As it grew up, it learned it was different. It knew things others did not.
It learned to hide what it knew, for other children were cruel. Later, it learned that it even had to hide itself from other adults, and to pretend it knew less than it did. The adults would fear it if it was discovered. Homo sapiens superious, it was...
And if I ever find that adult, I'm going to kill him straight out! We Homo sapiens sapiens don't want any competition!
Thank you, Carl Sagan... |
Hitman84
gatherer
Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 81
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 2:22 pm: | |
Dawkins theories are simply amazing!
The Evolved Imagination: Animals as models of their world
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/dawkins_ima gination.html
I just could'nt help..
How many of you here post on cg ?
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Angakuk
flint knapper
Username: Angakuk
Post Number: 628
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 1:05 am: | |
Great article, Hitman. What is cg?
To dare is to lose one’s footing momentarily; not to dare is to lose oneself.
- Soren Kierkegaard
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Scott
flint knapper
Username: Scott
Post Number: 1684
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 7:32 am: | |
cg = chessgames.com
Annie, Hitman84, cavebear, matt, catfriend and myself are members there - in fact I think that's where we first met Hitman.
JADE has a chess team as you know, at gk, also known as gameknot.com
Wanna play chess?
Scott
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Hitman84
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Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 82
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:27 am: | |
Ya that's where I met catfriend and Annie first before getting to know you all here at JADE!
Yup, I know the team JADE stars, Skipper cavebear invited me to join the team but unfortunately I've no internet connectivity at home right now so wont be able to play corr. chess.
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Hitman84
gatherer
Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 83
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 11:41 am: | |
AI links...
http://www.compapp.dcu.ie/~humphrys/ai.links.html
Here is a brilliant E - Zine you can subscribe, by
Robert Frenay
http://www.pulsethebook.com/index.php
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Hitman84
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Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 125
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 27, 2007 - 7:03 pm: | |
If technology can really save us then we are going to be dependent on it. This dependence will keep growing with technological advancements. Our brain keeps evolving in the technological era. I dont know how the brain might look in the future but the way it processes information would be similar to that of a computer. This is when AI is gonna become a reality!
Scientists already are able to show many similarities b/n the human brain and the computer.
The sci-fi movies we have watched might just be our future!
We humans are a very interesting species, we are the ones that create problems that almost lead to our extinction and later come up with ideas to save ourselves from extinction. This looks like a never ending cyclic process, the process in which the defenition of our species keeps changing.
May be I should become a Sci-Fi writer!
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Hitman84
gatherer
Username: Hitman84
Post Number: 144
Registered: 9-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 24, 2007 - 10:10 am: | |
quote:Andy Clark, a former director of cognitive science at Indiana University, believes we should already regard ourselves as cyborgs. Our thinking no longer goes on purely inside our heads, he contends; it is intimately bound up with the tools we use. He illustrates this with the example of people using software to trawl the web for news, music, information and goods personalised to their tastes. Where do the “thinking” and analysis stop? As the interfaces between people and computers become more sophisticated, he believes, “It will soon be harder than ever to tell where the human user stops and the rest of the world begins.”
Will this lead to greater intelligence? Some might argue that is already happening. In what is known as the Flynn Effect, underlying IQ scores — before adjustments to keep the average steady — have been rising for years. Nobody is sure why this is so, though few believe it is simply because we are smarter. “Otherwise you would have to conclude that people 100 years ago were all morons by our standards,” says Nick Bostrom, director of the Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford University. Instead, the type of thinking we do may have changed. “It may be that there are certain kinds of abstract thinking that we get much more exposure to now, and that might simply make us better at taking IQ tests.”
In the same way, Bostrom has no doubt that digital technology is influencing our mental processes. “Something as massive as our — for many people — daily interaction with computers and video players is bound to have a significant effect.” Anecdotally, it seems a lot of natives in this digital culture are apt at multitasking, doing several things in parallel. But nobody knows exactly what that effect will be. “In a sense it is a grand-scale experiment we are running. We are raising a whole generation in this totally new environment — without any firm evidence of what will happen to them.”
The next step in brain evolution :
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/article683193.ece
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