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Don
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Post Number: 520
Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 8:44 pm:   Edit PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Some neanderthals may have been redheaded:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7062415.stm
take what you want and pay for it
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Sidescraper_gal
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Post Number: 570
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 2:04 am:   Edit PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

All:

If any of you folks want to visit my blog, the Writer's Daily Grind, you can see what I had to say on the subject.

My blog URL is in my signature line,
Anne G
Visit my blog: The Writer's Daily Grind
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Scott
storyteller
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Post Number: 2130
Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 6:09 am:   Edit PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Isn't this a re-hash of the same story in 2000?


quote:

Red hair genes 100,000 years old

Researchers have found that the gene which causes red hair has a variation that may be up to 100,000 years old. They are also trying to understand why some people who carry variants of this gene are more susceptible to skin cancer than others.

Rosalind Harding, the Oxford member of the research team, is investigating why this gene has several common variants that account for most of the red hair found in Europe and if natural selection influences the gene.

Dr Harding, a population geneticist at the Weatherall Institute of Molecular Medicine, said: 'This research is part of other work we are currently doing in genetics. We wanted to put the red hair gene into an evolutionary context, and the model used for examining this gene is a good basis for further research on other genes. We are doing more sequencing which will hopefully give us more data that are sensitive for revealing natural selection and therefore better results and clearer answers.'

It has been widely reported that the gene originated in Neanderthal man. Dr Harding says this just isn't true: 'We have never stated in our research that this gene is Neanderthal, but at the moment I cannot statistically prove that it isn't which is why others have drawn these conclusions.' It is thought that now people are moving around the world and meeting people from other cultures, the red hair gene is being spread into areas where it would not naturally occur, such as Jamaica. Red hair is also found in Papua New Guinea although it's not known why.

People from these parts of the world have a high proportion of black melanin in their skins, which helps protect them from skin cancer. It could be that those with the red hair gene and the red form of melanin may be more susceptible to skin cancer. Dr Harding says there is still a lot of work to be done: 'We still don't fully understand the links between having light skin which is associated with the red hair gene, and skin cancer especially in non-Europeans.'




Ginger Gene

And from the Daily Mail in 2001:

Ginger Gene Revealed

Scott
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Angakuk
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Posted on Friday, November 02, 2007 - 11:24 pm:   Edit PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, I thought I read that before, more than once in fact.
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Sidescraper_gal
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Post Number: 571
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 9:54 pm:   Edit PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Angagkuk and Scott:

Yeah, this particular story is partly a "rehash" of the 2001 story via Rosalind Harding. What she found, as you correctly pointed out, is that MC1R goes back in human populations at least 100,000 years! Now if, as she was thought to have posited, that it originated in Eurasia, not Africa, the most likely "originators" would have been Neandertals. Which is where all this "Scots are descended from Neandertals" stuff came from, in the "popular" press. It is true, she did not make any particular claims as to what human population the MCIR red hair variant might have originated in. She just said it went back about 100,000 years.

The newest research actually came from Neandertals, though, and not only did it come from Neandertals, but from rather widely-separated Neandertals, one in Spain and one in Italy. What the latest research seems to have found, furthermore, is that the MC1R that governed red hair in Neandertals was somewhat different from "modern" variants. Which might make the actual origin of MC1R a lot older! And remember, that there appear to be a number of variations of this genetic trait, so it isn't surprising, at least not to me, that the MC1R of Neandertals would not have been exactly "the same" as that of "moderns". Incidentally, what I'm saying to you is pretty much what I told a three writers I was spending an evening with, last Tuesday. They'd heard about this "redheaded Neandertal" story too. At least one of them had. And personally, I thought there was a strong possibility of this, long before anybody actually discovered it! Pretty much from the time I started work on my Great Science Fiction Masterpiece(s) With Neandertals!
Anne G
Visit my blog: The Writer's Daily Grind
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Scott
storyteller
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Post Number: 2136
Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 2:39 am:   Edit PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah I understood the difference between the two but I was surprised that the earlier stuff wasn't referenced, at least in newspaper articles.

How is GSFM coming along Anne?

BTW, great blog there birthday girl! :-)

Scott
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Ces gens, Jondalar, ils sourient. Ils me sourient. - Ayla
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Sidescraper_gal
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Post Number: 573
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 2:18 am:   Edit PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Scott:

I've almost wrapped up Book 2, though they're all going to be rewritten, some parts substantially. I'm about to launch the concluding volume, where all ends happily for allthe Neandertals and most of the "moderns" involved. There's one kind of "bad guy" who is more of an antihero, who doesn't get what he wants, so it doesn't end happily for him, but. . . .
Anne G

Visit my blog: The Writer's Daily Grind
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Sidescraper_gal
flint knapper
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Post Number: 574
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 2:20 am:   Edit PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Scott:

Glad you liked the blog! I have some new, Neander-related material up, if you care to read more. . . .
Anne G
Visit my blog: The Writer's Daily Grind

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