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Sidescraper_gal
flint knapper
Username: Sidescraper_gal
Post Number: 704
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - 2:45 am: |     |
There's a nice piece here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080922/sc_livescience/neanderthalsatesealsanddolphins
about Neandertal hunting habits. At least in the Gibraltar area. . . . .
Anne G
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Cavebear
healer
Username: Cavebear
Post Number: 3384
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 4:11 am: | |
I'm not actually surprised that Neandertals wouldn't have availed themselves of all possible meat sources. They were neither stupid nor clumsy.
Thank you, Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins... |
Sidescraper_gal
flint knapper
Username: Sidescraper_gal
Post Number: 706
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 11:13 pm: | |
Cavebear:
Nope. They sure weren't stupid, and they wouldn't have lasted as long as they did if they had been clumsy. It may surprise people to know, though, that in some places there is evidence of use of plants. At Tor Faraj, they apparently used fig trees in some way.
Anne G
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Angakuk
flint knapper
Username: Angakuk
Post Number: 842
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2008 - 2:47 am: | |
Probably to cover their nakedness after eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. 
To dare is to lose one's footing momentarily; not to dare is to lose oneself.
- Soren Kierkegaard
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Sidescraper_gal
flint knapper
Username: Sidescraper_gal
Post Number: 708
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 26, 2008 - 10:26 pm: | |
Angakuk:
Maybe Tor Faraj was the original Garden of Eden?(sorry, I just couldn't resist!)
Anne G
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Cavebear
healer
Username: Cavebear
Post Number: 3387
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 12:47 am: | |
I bet Bible Code enthusiasts could find "Tor Faraj is Eden" somewhere... 
Thank you, Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins... |
Scott
storyteller
Username: Scott
Post Number: 2542
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 4:23 am: | |
Getting back on topic......I was taught that Neanderthals didn't utilise marine resources way back in undergrad uni. I remember arguing with professors telling them that if fish or shellfish were available they would have eaten them! Neanderthals were not stupid. It is nice to see proof though, and while this isn't the first, it pretty well nails it.
Scott
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Sidescraper_gal
flint knapper
Username: Sidescraper_gal
Post Number: 709
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 7:07 pm: | |
Scott:
At Grotte XVI, in SW France, there is evidence of fish bones in Neandertal caves. This finding came out several years ago(I have the paper, but it's on my old computer and the Family Computer Guru hasn't arrived yet to help me transfer the files to the new one; I can't transfer them "normally" because it's fairly old and cranky).
Anne G
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Cavebear
healer
Username: Cavebear
Post Number: 3388
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 6:38 am: | |
I thought previous studies had shown that Neandertal fossils lacked Omega-3 which comes mostly from fish...
I will cautiously ask if finding fish bones in Neandertal caves proves they caught and ate them. Dead fish are commonly found on shores. Maybe they just collected the bones...
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Sidescraper_gal
flint knapper
Username: Sidescraper_gal
Post Number: 710
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 7:17 pm: | |
Cavebear:
Two things here: making a fish weir or trap is not "rocket science". I know this because local Native Americans used very simple devices to trap local salmon during their "run" seasons, basically trapping them in tide pools so they could scoop them up. I think they were made mostly out of local rocks. I doubt if this kind of technology would have been "beyond" the Neandertals at Grotte XVI, SW France. The other thing to bear in mind is, the workers who discovered the fish bones also discovered what they felt was evidence of fires for "smoking" said fish(if that's what they did with the fires. They may have "smoked" something else for preservation, for all we know).
Anne G
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Cavebear
healer
Username: Cavebear
Post Number: 3390
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 3:21 am: | |
So you think that what more modern Native Americans did applies to Neandertals? That because what Homo Sapiens did 12kya, that Neandertals did 40kya? I wouldn't buy that argument a dime to a dollar. Please produce evidence of a Neandertal fish net...
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Sidescraper_gal
flint knapper
Username: Sidescraper_gal
Post Number: 711
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 9:04 pm: | |
Cavebear:
Well, at least one person may partiallyagree with you. http://averyremoteperiodindeed.blogspot.com/, one of my favorite science bloggers, has a long piece on this very subject. However, his take on this interesting: he seems to believe that neitherNeandertals nor "moderns" behaved in the manner of recent "modern" foragers of marine mammals! Nevertheless, two things stand out here: (1)Neandertals and contemporary "moderns" behaved very, very similarlZ53y and (2)certain technologies are quite similar, and have probably been invented and reinvented several times. Francisco d'Errico and João Zilhão have both suggested this in various papers. Whether or not one considers such behaviors, whether done by "moderns" or Neandertals, as evidence of "modern" behavior, depends on how you would define "modernity".
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