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Sidescraper_gal
flint knapper
Username: Sidescraper_gal
Post Number: 712
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 9:10 pm: |     |
All:
For those interested, Julien Riel Salbvatore has another fascinating blog regarding the Krapina Neandertals. Much has been made of this site, partly because the remains, though broken, are very abundant(at least in the context of a Neandertal site), and partly because the discoverer, Gorjanovic-Kramberger, seemed to think they were a bunch of cannibals. Ever since then, the "cannibalism" charge against Neandertals has risen to the surface on various occasions. Julien Riel-Salvatore has another long post, well worth reading, on a paper that just came out, examining this issue. He comes to some quite interesting conclusions. There are also links to other papers on the Krapina Neandertals, should anyone be interested.
Anne G
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Angakuk
flint knapper
Username: Angakuk
Post Number: 843
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 4:30 am: | |
Even if some Neanderthals were cannibals, I don't get why this is such hot issue. There has been plenty of cannibalism among modern humans, both opportunistic and ritual, why should Neanderthals be expected to be any different?
To dare is to lose one's footing momentarily; not to dare is to lose oneself.
- Soren Kierkegaard
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Matera
gatherer
Username: Matera
Post Number: 169
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 12:59 am: | |
SNS - Save the Neandertals Syndrome. Don't you read any fan-fic?
rofl
"A drum is empty always, and when the skin is rightly taut it gives right noise, right sound. Attention is like that."
~ Krishnamurti |
Sidescraper_gal
flint knapper
Username: Sidescraper_gal
Post Number: 713
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 3:18 am: | |
Matera and all:
Save the Neandertals Syndrome??????
Anne G
Visit my blog: The Writer's Daily Grind |
Cavebear
healer
Username: Cavebear
Post Number: 3391
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 5:49 am: | |
I tend to agree with Angakuk on this. I find it difficult to condemn nutritional cannibalism in hard times, and I can easily imagine ritual cannibalism for symbolic values.
Thank you, Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins... |
Sidescraper_gal
flint knapper
Username: Sidescraper_gal
Post Number: 714
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 6:46 pm: | |
Angakuk and Cavebear:
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My answer to this would be yes and no. When people bring up the idea that Group X are "cannibals", it is generally a way of putting some kind of distance between "us" and "them". This has been just as true among groups of "moderns" as it is with the issue of "Neandercannibals". IOW, those who have raised this issue, tend to think that N's were a lot "different" in some pretty fundamental ways, from "us". However this doesn't mean that N's at some times and places, never practiced cannibalism. It just means that you have to know what the context would have been, to make it comperehensible. And very probably, where these things were done, you can find analogues among recent "modern" human groups.
Anne G
Visit my blog: The Writer's Daily Grind |
Angakuk
flint knapper
Username: Angakuk
Post Number: 844
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 1:19 am: | |
Cavebear:I tend to agree with Angakuk on this.
Will wonders never cease? 
To dare is to lose one's footing momentarily; not to dare is to lose oneself.
- Soren Kierkegaard
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Cavebear
healer
Username: Cavebear
Post Number: 3405
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2008 - 4:38 am: | |
Sidescraper Gal, cannibalism is a historical fact. Whether among modern humans for necessity, ancient people for ritual or necessity reasons, it has occurred. I personally am not offended that people will do at the last necessity to survive.
It is sad that it sometimes happens, but I will not deny the survival instinct. If you think otherwise, you have not read what I have said in the past.
Thank you, Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins... |
Cavebear
healer
Username: Cavebear
Post Number: 3406
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2008 - 4:46 am: | |
"Will wonders never cease?" - Angakuk
Hey, when you say something intelligent, I will be pleased to agree with you. Why would I not? I only disagree when we disagree... 
Thank you, Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins... |
Sidescraper_gal
flint knapper
Username: Sidescraper_gal
Post Number: 726
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 17, 2008 - 11:40 pm: | |
Cavebear:
When did I ever speak of being "offended" by the fact that this was what some people have done to survive? People do what they must under some circumstances. What I will continue to do, however, is point out that claims about "cannibalism" among certain groups has almost always been a way of either "demonizing" them or trying to make them "extremely different". As far as I can see, behaviorally, Neandertals just don't seem to have been any different from other groups of humans in that respect.
Anne g
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Cavebear
healer
Username: Cavebear
Post Number: 3408
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2008 - 4:22 am: | |
Sidescraper Gal, I think we actually agree about cannibalism.
When I said "I personally am not offended that people will do at the last necessity to survive" what made you think "When did I ever speak of being "offended" by the fact that this was what some people have done to survive"?
I was specifically "not offended" by cannibalism when required for survival.
Thank you, Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins... |
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